Showing posts with label kill children. Show all posts
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Saturday, February 6, 2010
Monday, February 1, 2010
Atheists Kill Children!! UPDATED!!
I had a particularly distasteful exchange with a youtube user by the name of MaIcoImZieI, who left the following message on another theists' channel.
First, he said this on mysticalforest's Channel:
"It's sad to see that so many people believe Charles Darwin, Evolution, 'Scienfitic Facts' and don't try themselves to find out what is truly behind this magical life."
LOL! Misguided and sad as it was, I at least derived a bit of a laugh from it.
But then, he said this:
"Yesterday an Atheist man killed his two children in my city. Shows you what people are capable of once they have turned their back to God. Stay strong!"
Well, I HAD to respond to that nonsense. So I sent him this:
" I really would like to know if you are actually positing the ''turning of one's back to god" as the cause for murder?
I'm not here to bash you or argue with you. I have no issue with you being theist, at all. But I do have an issue with this partciular statement, and honestly, you should as well. I mean, the flaws in this are incredibly self evident, so for you to say it means you either remain willfully ignorant of them, or honestly haven't thought this out.
Honestly, do you see the major flaws in such a statement? I will gladly inform you of them if you ask, but I truly want to know if you can figure it out for yourself.
And if I am coming across as condescending, that is not my intent. It's just that this is a fundamentally and obviously flawed statement.
And it's also not fair. You guys are demonizing an entire group of people, and that's not right."
And he comes back with this:
"You know very well that when people do not understand the value of life, they will do anything they want. Are you saying that if this man would have known God, if he would have known the value of life, if he would have had any understand of morality, he would still have killed his children? NEVER!"
So, I respond back, and demolish his line of thinking:
"You avoided my question. And you also made the same fundamental errors. I guess I have to fill you in on what they are:
1) Generalizations. This should be obvious. You cannot extrapolate from one incident and apply it to a whole group. That's like me saying that all Chrstians who follow the god of th ebible are against abortion, or gay marriage. You and I both know that is not correct, but if I were like you I could point to the Westboro Baptists and say ''Well, this is what happens when you believe in that god."
Hitler was a professed Christian. Do I assume that Chrstianity leads to genocide?
I hope you can see how that's faulty logic.
2) What exaclty is that claim based upon? Do you know for sure that was the reason he killed his children? What about mental illness? Or any number of other extraneous and concomittant factors? From where do you draw this conclusion?
3) You say god as though everyone believes in the same god as you. Presumably, you are a christian. What if this man believed in a god, just not the same one as you? Would you be saying that he did this because he did not believe in the right god, or is it only the total lack of a belief in any god that leads to child murder?
4) Why aren't all atheists murdering their children?
5) What about religious people of all faiths who have murdered their children? What do you have to say for that?
6) "Understanding of morality." Are you saying that one needs god belief to understand morality?
Use the brain you believe your god gave you. Just think about what a horribly nasty, vile thing it was you said, and see how your dogmatic and erroneous belief has stopped you from seeing the incredibly obvious flaws in such a disgusting assertion."
I haven't heard from him since, but he's been on the site. I half expected him to trun tail and run when faced with coheren thoughts, and it looks like that's what he's going to do.....so typical.
The question is, do I bother with it? I'll update this with any and all new developments. For now, I'll leave it, but maybe in a day or two if I haven't heard back I'll say something....I dunno.
This is a really sad state of affirs here people. Science denial and misconstrual, and beliefs such as ''atheism leads to killing children" existing in 2010 saddens me to no end.
(And yes, I know the whole Hitler being a christian thing is contested. The fact is, he was. Whether or not he believed it or was utilizing it as a means to an end is up for debate, but it's not like I couldn't have pointed to any number of other murdering religious people to elucidate my point to him.)
UPDATE: He got back to me, check out this amazing response:
"People like you will never learn. But he... that makes sense... you believe we came out of a magical Big Bang explosion (before which there was nothing?) and POP! here we are! Of course you wouldn't understand. Do you really think I am going to argue with you if you believe that bullshit? Start thinking for yourself instead of reading books written by others."
What the fuck.
I sent him this:
"You can't be serious. You just can't. If you are serious, wow, you're absolutely stupid. And you're also a coward, because you completely failed to address the point. The last sentence really nails the conundrum. You're either screwing around, or monumentally stupid, and ignorant of the massive amount of irony contained in that one pathetic sentence.
Either way, you're a waste of time."
I was going to try and continue discussing this with him, but come on, it's impossible either way, so fuck it, I decided to be blunt. Enough is enough.
First, he said this on mysticalforest's Channel:
"It's sad to see that so many people believe Charles Darwin, Evolution, 'Scienfitic Facts' and don't try themselves to find out what is truly behind this magical life."
LOL! Misguided and sad as it was, I at least derived a bit of a laugh from it.
But then, he said this:
"Yesterday an Atheist man killed his two children in my city. Shows you what people are capable of once they have turned their back to God. Stay strong!"
Well, I HAD to respond to that nonsense. So I sent him this:
" I really would like to know if you are actually positing the ''turning of one's back to god" as the cause for murder?
I'm not here to bash you or argue with you. I have no issue with you being theist, at all. But I do have an issue with this partciular statement, and honestly, you should as well. I mean, the flaws in this are incredibly self evident, so for you to say it means you either remain willfully ignorant of them, or honestly haven't thought this out.
Honestly, do you see the major flaws in such a statement? I will gladly inform you of them if you ask, but I truly want to know if you can figure it out for yourself.
And if I am coming across as condescending, that is not my intent. It's just that this is a fundamentally and obviously flawed statement.
And it's also not fair. You guys are demonizing an entire group of people, and that's not right."
And he comes back with this:
"You know very well that when people do not understand the value of life, they will do anything they want. Are you saying that if this man would have known God, if he would have known the value of life, if he would have had any understand of morality, he would still have killed his children? NEVER!"
So, I respond back, and demolish his line of thinking:
"You avoided my question. And you also made the same fundamental errors. I guess I have to fill you in on what they are:
1) Generalizations. This should be obvious. You cannot extrapolate from one incident and apply it to a whole group. That's like me saying that all Chrstians who follow the god of th ebible are against abortion, or gay marriage. You and I both know that is not correct, but if I were like you I could point to the Westboro Baptists and say ''Well, this is what happens when you believe in that god."
Hitler was a professed Christian. Do I assume that Chrstianity leads to genocide?
I hope you can see how that's faulty logic.
2) What exaclty is that claim based upon? Do you know for sure that was the reason he killed his children? What about mental illness? Or any number of other extraneous and concomittant factors? From where do you draw this conclusion?
3) You say god as though everyone believes in the same god as you. Presumably, you are a christian. What if this man believed in a god, just not the same one as you? Would you be saying that he did this because he did not believe in the right god, or is it only the total lack of a belief in any god that leads to child murder?
4) Why aren't all atheists murdering their children?
5) What about religious people of all faiths who have murdered their children? What do you have to say for that?
6) "Understanding of morality." Are you saying that one needs god belief to understand morality?
Use the brain you believe your god gave you. Just think about what a horribly nasty, vile thing it was you said, and see how your dogmatic and erroneous belief has stopped you from seeing the incredibly obvious flaws in such a disgusting assertion."
I haven't heard from him since, but he's been on the site. I half expected him to trun tail and run when faced with coheren thoughts, and it looks like that's what he's going to do.....so typical.
The question is, do I bother with it? I'll update this with any and all new developments. For now, I'll leave it, but maybe in a day or two if I haven't heard back I'll say something....I dunno.
This is a really sad state of affirs here people. Science denial and misconstrual, and beliefs such as ''atheism leads to killing children" existing in 2010 saddens me to no end.
(And yes, I know the whole Hitler being a christian thing is contested. The fact is, he was. Whether or not he believed it or was utilizing it as a means to an end is up for debate, but it's not like I couldn't have pointed to any number of other murdering religious people to elucidate my point to him.)
UPDATE: He got back to me, check out this amazing response:
"People like you will never learn. But he... that makes sense... you believe we came out of a magical Big Bang explosion (before which there was nothing?) and POP! here we are! Of course you wouldn't understand. Do you really think I am going to argue with you if you believe that bullshit? Start thinking for yourself instead of reading books written by others."
What the fuck.
I sent him this:
"You can't be serious. You just can't. If you are serious, wow, you're absolutely stupid. And you're also a coward, because you completely failed to address the point. The last sentence really nails the conundrum. You're either screwing around, or monumentally stupid, and ignorant of the massive amount of irony contained in that one pathetic sentence.
Either way, you're a waste of time."
I was going to try and continue discussing this with him, but come on, it's impossible either way, so fuck it, I decided to be blunt. Enough is enough.
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